UKIP: Politics of the past
I had the misfortune of receiving one of Nigel Farage's desperate pleas for Tory Councillors to desert the Conservatives and move to a party with a single agenda. It is not something I would personally consider, but it did get me thinking exactly why anyone would want to move.
Firstly, their politics is totally adversarial, all about what is wrong with everyone else with never an admission that someone might have a valid point, as the truly dreadful UKIP Home proves. This is everything that people hate about modern politics and one of the things I see David Cameron trying to address.
But they also seem to be totally opposed to everything the Conservative Party are about, on the one hand criticising traditional Conservative values and on the other having a go at everything about David Cameron's repositioning. Why would anyone want to migrate to a party that has such huge differences with both the traditional and modern Conservative Party? Why would anyone want to migrate to a Party whose methods truly are a thing of the past?
Apologies for the lack of links - for some reason the link button has disappeared from the editing area of my blog - will correct later.
Firstly, their politics is totally adversarial, all about what is wrong with everyone else with never an admission that someone might have a valid point, as the truly dreadful UKIP Home proves. This is everything that people hate about modern politics and one of the things I see David Cameron trying to address.
But they also seem to be totally opposed to everything the Conservative Party are about, on the one hand criticising traditional Conservative values and on the other having a go at everything about David Cameron's repositioning. Why would anyone want to migrate to a party that has such huge differences with both the traditional and modern Conservative Party? Why would anyone want to migrate to a Party whose methods truly are a thing of the past?
Apologies for the lack of links - for some reason the link button has disappeared from the editing area of my blog - will correct later.
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posted by Martin Curtis at 9:10 AM
5 Comments:
I am English and like your constituents, am considered by Cameron to be an ignorant little englander who doesn't show enough respect to Scotland. I'm not going re-educate myself though. Have you done so?
What plans do you have to re-educate your constituents? What resources have been requested from the Scottish Chancellor?
Perhaps UKIP will allow the ignorant English to vote for them, but I doubt that the Tories will get in with Scottish votes. They just don't like you, do they?
If we want Independence, we just need to vote Tory - the Scots would leave the Union the next day! Excellent plan, methinks
Just like to take issue with, well just about everything that you say here really.
The fact that you would not consider shifting base is, of course your personal perogative. No probs there.
No UKIP's policies are no more adversarial than any other. s a matter of interest, if you diasgree with what, say a Lib Dem on your planning committe was o say, what would you do?
Disagree with him - which is what I would hope you were elected to do, or in the interests of consensus, accomadate his position - which I would hope would earn you the opprobrium of your electors.
Now if somebody else has a good idea, then it would benuts to oppose it, self destructive even. UKIP support the localist agenda proposed by a number of your fellow Tories. They also support nuclear power, currently a Labour position. Lord if I looked hard enough I could find something they agree with with the Lib Dems,m oh yes I know, they oppose Id cards. So that arguement of yours rathers withers on the vine.
If Mr Cameron is trying to address adversarial politics, and to that extent spend his time agreeing with the shower who ruining our country (think sticking to Gordon's taxation plans) then why bother voting Tory at all?
UKIP, as far as I understand it support the Nation State, which I guess you do. Selection in Schools, ditto. A robust attitude towards crime, and a belief that our people should be secure in their ghomes and with their property, ditto. They belive in lower taxation and reduction in the burden of red tape placed upon our entrepreneurs, again ditto.
Strong, independent defence, limited immigration, limited government, the small battaluions, voluntary work, hunting, strong ties with the english speaking world, oh a whole range of things.
Come on, admit it you haven't thefaintest idea what you are talking about here have you?
Their methods are truly a thing of the past, what emailing every councillor is the sort ofthing Lord Palmerstone would have done? and if gratuitously crass and insulting campaigns like "Don't be a tosser" is your idea of a good future, well I worry for you.
Ho hum, of course according to Con Home's survey there a large number of your fellow members and activists who disagree with you. Mr Sturdy better watch out.
Elaib,
You make my point perfectly. People are sick of the you're wrong we're right style of politics. If UKIP truly are so close to the Conservatives, why is everything they put out about them negative, and why don't they spend most of there time challenging the record of this Government.
It is because they put the pursuit of votes and power above doing what is right for the Country.
David Cameron is right to oppose where he feels he needs to and support what he thinks is right - that *is* responsible politics.
Martin,
I am obviously a plank. I agree with you that there is no point in opposeing just for the sake of it. Which is exactly what I said, OK in a few more words.
But calling UKIP "loonies, fruitcakes and closet racsists" as Mr Cameron did was hardly what might call fraternal now was it?
Consensus is of course possible around certain things, but the world changes for the better when people stand up for what they believe in.
On the ewanting votes arguement, come off it Martin you are an elected councillor, are you telling me that you don't want people to vote for you, and you do not believe that you yourself, though your ideas, beliefs and work could improve the lot of your ward. Otherwise you shouldn't be in politics.
Have fun
E
Elaib,
Lets be honest, Yah Boo sucks politics doesn't win people over, it turns people off politics.
There are ways of opposing and winning votes by personal example and value that work far better.
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